BM: Do you think there's different emphasis for school trips than the public?
HF: Yeah I think, we're much more the - um entertainment side of the entertainment, entertainment side of things whereas schools see it as an educational visit with a bit of entertainment thrown in. School teachers, like I said before have got much more - they - it's - less difficult with primary schools but with secondary schools, it's much harder but they all have to have a reason for coming. They've got to justify it to their schools their, you know, head of science and say "I want to take a group and visit to Techniquest because it's going to cover this this this and this." So there's always a - there is always a learning outcome - wanted from a visit to Techniquest. Whereas here it's not. For the public sorry it's not like that, it's much more of a "let's go and have some fun." I I can't believe that any parent in their right mind would come here and say "I want little Johnny to come away knowing about the tropical fish that live in the" you know "the ( ) river basin" you know. I just don't believe that. For a second. They might go away going "at least he's been stimulated for a little while" and it's not just (Muppet) cartoon, you know, ( ) away from his eyes.