BS: There seems to be quite an interesting contrast between having people experience the unexpected but also simplicity and everyday things as well.
HF: Yeah, yeah. It's a really - it is it's that fine line. When I was talking about you know showing the unexpected that's, that isn't necessarily my view but it's the philosophy behind hands-on science centre. I'm all for putting things into a context that people will understand and will engage with. And not everybody engages with something that, that's weird and wonderful so - I think there's a lot to be said for something that's intriguing and surprising but I wouldn't say that's, for me isn't the fundamental - side of things.