BS: And what were you doing before?
SB: Well, I was primary teacher before, but I - I also had, between that I had an opportunity to work for Cardiff University - in the Geology department. And so worked there. I had a year secondment because they need somebody to help with earth science teaching because it was a big part of the national curriculum. So that's that's why - that's why I came out of teaching. I thought I was going to go back but I only went back part time. And then the job came up at Techniquest - so - I applied for it and got it, which was really nice. So I didn't actually teach for very long. Not as long as I expected to teach for. But it was really that opportunity in the in the university - to run - to run courses for teachers and we wrote a book and produced a pack of rocks you know to go out to schools, and that sort of thing that sort of - got me started really. I think that sort of was the transition between school and - working for Techniquest.