BS: How did you actually become involved with Techniquest?
TS: In a complicated way through knowing people. I used to work in the education department at Cardiff University and my sort of head of department was John Beetlestone who was the professor of science education who wanted to set up a thing like Techniquest within the - under the aegis of the university. That become less and less likely as the 1980's progressed. And I think that he then decided that it was not going to happen in that sort of way and he managed to get funding from the Sainsbury Foundation (or) the Gatsby Foundation and left the university in, either 86 or 87 in order to be able to devote himself to that. And so he started it in 87, while I was still in the education department. The education department stopped training teachers, I was a physics tutor there - in 1990. And it wasn't long after that that I became associated with Techniquest by which time it had become established quite well, up in the Cardiff docks area.