BS: So how do you think it works within Techniquest? For example, what's the importance of interactivity?
TS: I think if we were - a place like the Science Museum without - let's leave apart the interactive bits of the science museum in London. If we were a local place like that - then we would suffer the kind of fate that the Industrial and Maritime museum that used to be here, suffered. That is, it was there, it had a lot of wonderful exhibits - bits of ships, bits of factories, all kinds of artifacts related to the industrial history of Cardiff and South Wales. They didn't work most of them. Some of them trundled with electric motors inside them. You couldn't touch them, you couldn't engage with them, you only sort of peered at them and they had - scant success I would say. That is, schools were not inclined to take young children there. I don't think. The place was never full. Whenever I went there I was the only person who could be seen except for the rather bored, sort of, what do you call the wretched staff who - not the warders but that's the kind of thing. What do you call supervisory staff?
BS: Not the curators?
TS: You know who I mean?
BS: yes, yes.