BS: Do you think there's something positive about that kind of scatological way that - cause Heath seems quite proud of the fact that the exhibition's evolved.
HF: I think that's great. I don't, I don't think that that's a problem. I just think that - Techniquest is getting to a point where it's too big to cBrett that and it does create, it does create problems. You know, it creates disparity amongst teams and it - and that's bad and that creates a bad working atmosphere. So.