BS: And how does that, the other thing you talk about is the "wow" experience. How do you combine the two?
SB: Well, the type of shows that we do are quite varied. They have - lots of different parts so that if - if a child is ((laughs)) perhaps not so interested in one thing or they're losing it a little bit, they're not quite following what we're on about it doesn't really matter because the next minute there's something new, perhaps a wow bit and then a - something about football that they're really interested in or you know. I think it's the variety - that works. That's the key to it, having lots of - you know, you wouldn't want a whole show that was just "wow" but didn't, you know, didn't have really good explanations of the science, you know. They might be left going and thinking "Well how did they do that? It was like a magic show" or something, you know. That wouldn't be, that wouldn't be a good show. So you've got to have a bit of everything I think. But it's hard because it depends on the topic. You can't - it's like the Pushes and Pulls show I said to you I wanted to have a wow bit and we didn't really end up with much of a wow bit. But, I have been very pleased with that show, actually. I I've had a lovely response from teachers and, it's quite a simple show. I'm still looking for a wow bit for that show. I've got a few ideas. ((laughs)). It might come in, you know, the next time we run it we might actually, put something in. But I I was quite happy with the way it - the way it all went really.