BS: What is your understanding of what science is or what does science mean to you?
DS: I view science very much in the kind of sense of it being a method. And - I think that's different from a lot of people who - think of science as some kind of belief system. And that is - very prevalent, especially in Western society and in Britain that science is some kind of - belief system that it has all the answers. And I don't think of it like that, I think of it more um - that it - and the way that it was devised is it first came kind of came around in the sort of - 16th 17th century - it was, a method for - observing things in the world which seemed to have a pattern to them and then trying to describe that pattern.
I don't know whether that's - it's a much more limited view of science I think than some places. I was in Paris, this - last ((laughing)) weekend and the science centre there, they're so much more into social science and science being a kind of - well basically being the answer to society's problems. Which is way further than I would ever put science. It's much more how I was saying about it being some kind of belief system. And, I just found that really interesting because I think it's probably - even more apparent in French society when they, you know their kind of philosophers and rationalists and all that, they really like - I don't know, secularism, if you know what I mean, they don't like religion, they like, but their religion is science. They've got very, kind of - strong opinion that way whereas in Britain I don't think it's quite so strong. But it is quite strong. And people think science is black and white, it's the truth, it's the absolute answer to all our problems. Which is unfortunately not true I don't think.