BD Which phase are you talking about?
HW Phase 3.
BD Phase 3?
HW Yes. This building, and the initial set of exhibits for it.
BD That's when you set up this consultation liaison group?
HW Well, that was set up by the edu-, no, no that existed in phase 2. But, the idea of going out as broadly as you can, to get all the ideas that people have and then filtering them back through, basically through the person who's got to deliver it, I mean in terms of their do ability, but also, you know, we had to be ambitious in what we were doing if we didn't, if we just reproduced things that'd been done somewhere else, it wouldn't have been world class, and it was very important that this, building this science centre went in immediately as a world-class institution. We'd done all the rehearsal, we had to do it properly this time.