BS: What about the MSc programme. How did that come about?
TS: Right. I think that that started in 1996. I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure it did. And it was begun by a chap called Brian Delf - who had been a colleague in the university, he was in the physics department so I'd known him for a long time. And he - I don't know if it was his idea but he decided that he would make the thing work. And he set up the project and he involved a lot of us in consolation about it but in fact he developed it
((one mic cuts out - very quiet)) more or less single handed and only used us for quite small - shall we say - sequences within the course.