ER: So did you always have to read the - because you said you ((Derek)) didn't read the instructions and you ((John)) said that you did. So did sometimes did you feel that you could do it without the instructions or did you read them first?
C: I I read them, I read, a a lot.
J: I read them when I was stuck on - thing where you got to rub your hands on [the bar - I read it]
C: [I I cause I knew that ]
ER: You read that one. Did you read it because you couldn't work it out to start with or did you read it anyway?
J: I read - I read it.
C: You had to do it like this you did.
J: You had to put your hand in the water then rub it on the handles and it goes ((sound effect))
C: Makes noise.