BS: So the drawings you give them, are they 3-d?
DS: Sometimes. I, the way I like to work is to do it in 3-d and then I'll do 2-d drawings off that 3-d model. So - it's seems the wrong way to do it. You seem to think "Oh I should do the 2-d and then create the 3-d from it" but actually the way that - it - I think it works much much better and I think most people who - have done 3-d CAD would do it this way as well and it- it's only cause 3-d CAD isn't that widespread as yet but it's obviously getting that way. Cause it's - traditional way of doing it is you draw it up with a pencil and paper and drawing board um and - the 2, the 3-d comes from the 2-d but with, now that they've got the software to do it, it's much much easier just to do it in 3-d. The computer will then do all the 2-d drawings for you, whatever angle whatever view you want. And like I said before it's good because if you make a change it'll change all the drawings for you. It's just 10 times easier. So - I - might give them drawings of say sections or particular bits which show how something's going to fit together but often it's useful to give them a picture of the 3-d as well so they that know what, what you expect, what you're kind of aiming for in the end as well. But but they're all used to working off 2-d drawings.